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March 06, 2004

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stennie

Hey, what happened to you? If you don't blog more often, people will think God smote you down for dissing Mel's movie.

troy

Hi just like to say to whoever wrote this must not be a good of judging movies cause The Passion of the christ was the best movie ever and millions of people going to see it over and over again prove my point. This movie is going to be around forever cause once it comes out on video you know every church is going to get it and show it to people all the time. When i saw this movie i felt Gods precense it was so awesome this movie made me cry cause of all the bad things i have done to hurt Jesus and this movie has changed my life completly to want to follow him and not only my life has been changed but millions of people are saying the same thing so it isnt just me. So diss it or praise it ether way man this film will be around till the ends of time so you might as well get used to it. I just dont see how you can say this movie is a bad movie i think cause it shows the truth that is probably why.

stennie

Lots of people going to see a movie doesn't make it good. It makes it popular.

Mark

what??? you have no idea what's going on. The Passion is incredible. Maybe you just need to get tuned in to the God channel a little and maybe you would be begin to understand what Gibson actually did. This movie was an experience. It wasn't made for critics. I myself am a student of film and a film maker. It was made to envelop the viewer into what Christ did for us. It's beyond a movie. The sooner you see that, the sooner you'll understand.

damien

well done, mark. a nice little response there. now, you say you're a film-maker. well, i'm glad you work in a visual medium because you can't write for shit. how exactly does one get "enveloped" into what somebody did? you obviously have all the answers on this one. why should a viewer have to tune into the "God channel" to be able to appreciate a film? a film should stand on its own. i don't entirely agree with communist propaganda, but i admit that "battleship potemkin" is a towering masterpiece. i don't think the cuban revolution was an altogether great thing, but i adore "la hora de los hornos." let's compare two contemporay pieces of propaganda, so to speak, then: "passion of the christ" and "fahrenheit 911." the latter was done with swiftian wit and great panache; it was a self-assured work that managed to combine a kind of mordant, bitterly ironic and satirical humor with a very deep and very real feeling of anger and dismay. gibson's film, on the other hand, resorted to passion-play techniques to ram home a message that itself is problematic given the construction of the film. there was more passion in "fahrenheit 911" than in "passion." but, i guess i haven't been listening to the "God channel" enough. hmmm, what do you mean by that exactly? evangelical fundamentalist preachers? right-wing radio talk shows? the self-appointed moralists, among whom we can count such luminaries as jerry falwell and bill bennett? you think "passion" is passionate? you think it's bold and unflinching? i say it's a cop-out. i say it's sanitized. it takes jesus's sacrifice and turns it into a video-game. there have been religious movies made with such conviction, that resonate so deeply and ask such deep questions about faith and humanity's relationship to God, that in comparison a B-movie like "passion" looks like a rip-off of exploitation horror movies. if you're so in tune with the "God channel" and are on top of it all a "student of film", then i'm sure you've studied and labored over "the passion of joan of arc" and "the gospel according to saint matthew" and "diary of a country priest" and every ingmar bergman movie ever made. those are real religious movies. they don't take religion for granted but delve into it, ask the tough questions, and invoke a deep sense of faith. tell me, does religion have to be dumbed down? at the risk of sounding snobbish, it is telling that "the passion of the christ" played the best in the parts of the country with the lowest iq's. academia and the urban centers revolted against the film because they saw it for what it was: stupidity.
i normally never write back to posted comments, and i'm not even doing the site anymore, but your wonderfully insightful entry just necessitated a rebuttal.

sincerely yours,
dmien

damien

well done, mark. a nice little response there. now, you say you're a film-maker. well, i'm glad you work in a visual medium because you can't write for shit. how exactly does one get "enveloped" into what somebody did? you obviously have all the answers on this one. why should a viewer have to tune into the "God channel" to be able to appreciate a film? a film should stand on its own. i don't entirely agree with communist propaganda, but i admit that "battleship potemkin" is a towering masterpiece. i don't think the cuban revolution was an altogether great thing, but i adore "la hora de los hornos." let's compare two contemporay pieces of propaganda, so to speak, then: "passion of the christ" and "fahrenheit 911." the latter was done with swiftian wit and great panache; it was a self-assured work that managed to combine a kind of mordant, bitterly ironic and satirical humor with a very deep and very real feeling of anger and dismay. gibson's film, on the other hand, resorted to passion-play techniques to ram home a message that itself is problematic given the construction of the film. there was more passion in "fahrenheit 911" than in "passion." but, i guess i haven't been listening to the "God channel" enough. hmmm, what do you mean by that exactly? evangelical fundamentalist preachers? right-wing radio talk shows? the self-appointed moralists, among whom we can count such luminaries as jerry falwell and bill bennett? you think "passion" is passionate? you think it's bold and unflinching? i say it's a cop-out. i say it's sanitized. it takes jesus's sacrifice and turns it into a video-game. there have been religious movies made with such conviction, that resonate so deeply and ask such deep questions about faith and humanity's relationship to God, that in comparison a B-movie like "passion" looks like a rip-off of exploitation horror movies. if you're so in tune with the "God channel" and are on top of it all a "student of film", then i'm sure you've studied and labored over "the passion of joan of arc" and "the gospel according to saint matthew" and "diary of a country priest" and every ingmar bergman movie ever made. those are real religious movies. they don't take religion for granted but delve into it, ask the tough questions, and invoke a deep sense of faith. tell me, does religion have to be dumbed down? at the risk of sounding snobbish, it is telling that "the passion of the christ" played the best in the parts of the country with the lowest iq's. academia and the urban centers revolted against the film because they saw it for what it was: stupidity.
i normally never write back to posted comments, and i'm not even doing the site anymore, but your wonderfully insightful entry just necessitated a rebuttal.

sincerely yours,
damien

joyce

hi i would just like to say that your wrong, it made millions of people cry and come back to Jesus. Maybe it's because your not christian, but everyone is different so i won't say anything about religious things, but all i'm saying is that if there was a different message to this film; that you seem to hate so much, then i think that you would've said something more nicer. the effects and the flashbacks were touching and looked real. i didn't think anyone can say something bad about that.. but i was prooved wrong because, YOU did.

ps/ if your not a christian which i think you aren't, then try going to church, it'll help you understand the film more because you seem to be getting the wrong idea of this film(not that i'm an expert or anything)

Good day and God bless you =)

joyce

oh yeah, and by the way, this film is not a failed experiment, and i think the message was to show people that Jesus came to earth and go through the pain and your so-called humiliation because that's how much He loved and still does love us. you can just say that i'm a little 15 year old who doesn't know anything about films, but i'm pretty sure i'm not wrong about my comment on this one.

Sarah

ok...well heres what i think about this subject...yes the passion was an amazing movie...but that dosn't mean that everyone is going to think that...the response that you "chirstians" have put on here...are turning people off...i myself am a devoted follower and born again believer...but i would never post something like that on here...just because...people who don't look at things from a chirstian perspective are going to get turned off by the way you try to shove your defence down their throats...i know you probably didn't realize what you were doing but that is what it seemed like to me...so...just chill out a little bit peeps...lol
jumping the gun isn't a good thing all the time.

Zach Baker

All,

The thing to understand is that the author of this blog and Mel Gibson are not looking for the same effect. Without putting words in his mouth, it seems that the former was looking for entertainment - the most stunning visuals and storyline, etc. Mel was looking to tell the events of Christ's death and in the process elicit a response from the viewer. Which is why open-minded people are going to think about this, and also why the blogger says things like "if you can get past the propiganda...".

Unfortunately his expectations were not met. Sure, he did miss the point. But he is missing the point very very intentionally. That's his perogative! With any critic, you must evaluate the authority and weight of the statements based on the understanding, the faith/spiritual context/capacity of the writer, etc.

My strong recommendation to everyone who thinks in about the spiritual, and anyone compelled to write anything related to this stuff (propiganda, spiritual things, Bible, etc) is to NOT decide what you are going to do with the story of Christ based on ANY critic or website, and not even any movie. If we were critiquing one of the many new cooking shows that are meant to be entertaining, would we evaluate the quality of the recipie or food based on the critic's opinion of the show?

We are dealing here with what people believe, wether you're an atheist or a miracle-working believer. Throughout history the Bible and story of Christ has been visciously attacked (attempts at eradication, change, etc) and yet somehow the same words survive today. How could any book elicit such an amazing reaction from humanity through history? Rather than trust our flakey, subjective history books, why not go to the source itself and decide what to do with Christ?

No doubt if you know the Bible fairly well, this film was simply beautiful to you, and the film was anything but propiganda, but rather perhaps the greatest love story ever told. Christian, remember the Bible says it is spiritually discerned - don't expect everyone who refuses to acknowledge God to value it.

Rosie

I read this expecting something good pero all I got was trash on top of trash trying to misdermean something so beautiful. Personally I absolutely found the movie brilliant. I went through a box of tissues by myself and I am but a child(15). I went to this mvoie with my old youth group all of us were not doing very good in Christ pero after watching this film I fell to my knees and cried. I have never cried or even thought about crying this much in my life. Except once. When I read this review. I was so stunned by how ignorant the critic was. This movie touched so many innocent lives. I remember after watching this I ran around Reno asking every one to watch it. I walked up to complete strangers and got them to accept Christ with me. This movie had such an imapct on my life. I have read the bible since I could talk and I know the story of Jesus pero a picture says so much more. Mel Gibson is my hero. He knew this movie wouldn't be accepted by all pero he did it anyways. And I respect that he would risk his reputation to make a movie that would affect so many people. I could go on for so much longer pero I have to go help with a dance my mama and my sister are doing for good friday.

Claudia

I agree with Damien!
This movie is a dramatic effort to pull humanity back into the suffering and victim mode. Although it’s done with integrity, does it exemplify what this master taught? Does the movie, based partially in myth instead of real history, show the joy of Jesus’ life?

Alex

I found the movie very touching. It definitely wasn't made for entertainment purposes. Film critics all differ on how they rate this film. For example, Ebert gives it 4 stars. Basically, it comes down to your own personal judgment. I personally thought the movie was excellent. The cross is the central message of the gospels. It's the central element in all 4 gospels in the Bible. It's mentioned or alluded to pretty much in every single New Testament book.

Anyway, great discussion everyone and God bless.

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